E&OE TRANSCRIPT
Topics: Antisemitism; US tariffs on aluminium and steel; US-Australia trade relationship; NDIS; Foundational supports; Australian federal election.
PETER FEGAN, HOST: Someone that had a front row seat to the action, Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth. She joins me on the line. Minister, it's great to have your company this morning.
AMANDA RISHWORTH, MINISTER FOR SOCIAL SERVICES: Good morning. Great to be with you.
PETER FEGAN: Antisemitism is a very touchy subject. Now, the Attorney-General has accused the Coalition of politicising antisemitism. But look, I think the sad reality is, Minister, it is a political issue, but I think it was a little childish of the Coalition yesterday to try and attempt to silence the Attorney-General because Mark Dreyfus is Jewish.
AMANDA RISHWORTH: It was a pretty unusual circumstance. We had Mark Dreyfus getting up and talking very personally about the impact that antisemitism has had on him and his family. In fact, he has direct family members that died in the Holocaust. So, it was a really moving comment. And he was making the point how dangerous it can be to politicise. Now, to shut down the Attorney-General by moving a motion that he no longer be heard was ironic. I mean, that was pretty ironic and pretty concerning, especially when the Parliament should be about free speech and canvassing these types of issues.
PETER FEGAN: Yeah, look, I thought the move was very strange considering that, yes, he is Jewish and he had personal experiences. I thought it would have been more touching to allow Mark Dreyfus to talk. But look, it is politics. I want to move on, Minister, if I can, to President Trump's threat to impose these 25 per cent tariffs on Australia's aluminium industry. It is a really scary prospect. But, you know, particularly given the cost to Rio Tinto and, you know, and big companies like that BlueScope as well. But look, we don't export a lot of those materials to America. But I think more broadly there's an issue here, and it's the relationship between the US and it hangs in the balance here. Do you think that the comments made by Anthony Albanese and Kevin Rudd may come back to bite us on the backside here?
AMANDA RISHWORTH: Look, I think that the Prime Minister in particular has demonstrated already he is able to build strong relationships with world leaders. If you have a look at it, before President Trump even took office, our Prime Minister had had a conversation with him. Very few countries got an invite to the inauguration. Penny Wong was there, and we have Richard Marles meeting his Defence Minister counterpart just over the weekend. So, the relationship is strong. We will be working in our national interest. Our Prime Minister always does that. Obviously, President Trump has made comments that he will impose these across every country, but we will be working very closely in our national interest. I think the relationship is very strong. We've been working on it, and we'll keep working on it in our national interest.
PETER FEGAN: Let's move on to your brief. The NDIS, it is as a ‘you know what’ sandwich. It's been handed to you by Bill Shorten. The first question I want to ask you, Minister, and I hope you don't deny this, have you been handed, have you been left a mess by Bill Shorten? Because the opinion of Australia is the NDIS couldn't be in worse shape.
AMANDA RISHWORTH: Well, firstly, I would say that the problems in the NDIS are not new. The reason why many of Australians understand some of the challenges in the NDIS is because Minister Shorten actually raised them. Just a couple of things…
PETER FEGAN: He raised them, but he didn't fix them, though, Minister. I mean, come on, let's call it what it is. He never fixed the issues in the NDIS. He may have raised them, but under his watch you had NDIS carers taking patients or taking their clients to strip clubs, cash buying vehicles, going on holidays. It was an absolute mess, and it all happened under Bill's watch.
AMANDA RISHWORTH: No, no, that is just not true. Some of these things had happened for a long time. What we did, and what Minister Shorten did, was have a list of what things could be funded and what couldn't. Before that, there hadn't been a list of what could be and couldn't be funded. Firstly, I would make the point that the NDIS does provide lifechanging supports for many Australians with disability. What I'm hearing, though, of course, and this is the work that Minister Shorten started and I will continue, is firstly, bring integrity back to the system and making sure that people are spending the money and getting support for the things that make a difference in their lives. Secondly, I would say that I hear a lot about making sure that there is fairness and consistency in decision making at the same time as making sure that individuals have an individualised plan. But the crackdown on some of the misuse of NDIS money was only brought to the fore because Bill Shorten decided to set up a fraud task force and actually have a look at this. Some of the practices previously, were invoices weren't even being checked, they were just being paid.
PETER FEGAN: But how do we get to that stage? How do we get to that stage where invoices aren't even checked? I mean, the captain goes down with the ship, unfortunately, Minister.
AMANDA RISHWORTH: No, no, they are now. We've got to bring integrity [to the system] and that's what Minister Shorten started. It's a long process because quite frankly, the previous government just did not pay attention to the work that needed to be done in the NDIS. So, we need to get it back to its original intent and that was providing reasonable and necessary support so that individuals with disability can achieve their goals and aspirations. And I think that is where we need to get back to and that's what I'm absolutely committed to doing.
PETER FEGAN: My guest this morning is the Minister for Social Services, Amanda Rishworth. One of the things I will agree with, which I think is a good move by the Albanese Government, is people with milder disabilities will be on a different system. It's an all new system. And I think that's what part of the NDIS may have been - the determination between people with milder disabilities, with more severe disabilities. But the only problem is the states aren't getting on board. What's the update? Because I know that you've been working behind the scenes on this, you want to try and get this rolled out by about July 1. Are the states playing ball?
AMANDA RISHWORTH: This is a joint effort between states and territories and just last week, First Ministers agreed to continue work on what are called foundational supports. And I have to be really clear, these supports will be critical for people. We also need to make sure the evidence is there behind these supports as well. So, we're working very closely with the states and territories, and we will continue to do so. We are still expecting that foundational supports will start to be rolled out in the second half of this year. Although just to be clear, it was never expected the whole system would be set up in the second half of this year. As the NDIS Review pointed out, there was a long term process. But look, I'm working with absolute good faith with the states and territories. Look, there's different views and we'll keep working with them, but I know they are keen as well to make sure that children particularly with disability, get the best evidence-based support they can that actually make a difference and actually change the trajectory of their lives. And that's what I'm focused on.
PETER FEGAN: Minister, before I let you go, I've just had a message here from the Prime Minister's office that says Pete, you can ask the Minister, we're giving her permission to let us know when the election is. You're right to go.
AMANDA RISHWORTH: Unfortunately that's above my pay grade.
PETER FEGAN: I'd say April 12. You'll be busy. I'd say April 12. Minister, thanks for having for jumping on this morning. Nice to have your time.
AMANDA RISHWORTH: No worries, have a good one.